[Scarlet Speedster]

"Both Rowling and Meyer, they’re speaking directly to young people...the real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can’t write worth a darn. She’s not very good."

Cite 1. Cite 2.

[Jeff N.]

As much as I despise Stephen King I must applaud that jab.

[Solar]

It was a brilliant jab, is there going to be a comeback? (He's just....like... OLD ... and doesn't understand.... shea!)

[hansc70]

Twilight put me to sleep don't think I have gotten to the halfway point. Romance book where some people just happen to be vampires..../yawn

[JulianvonRose]

Stephen King doesn't write as well since he was hit by that car I say we hit him again to reverse that and get him to re-write the last few books of the Gunslinger series starting when he wrote himself into the book. But he doe know how to write and he knows vampires, ever read Salem's Lot? My personal opinion is the Twilight Books and the movie suck ballz, don't let my girlfriend know I said that though. Also if a vampire doens't burst into flames or ecmoe burned in the light then he's not a vampire he's a freaky immortal that has a weird skin condition.

This post has been edited by JulianvonRose: 05 February 2009 - 03:29 PM

[xxbrokenwingsxx]

I agree, Twilight does suck.

@Julian: you don't really like your gf do ya? lol.

[JulianvonRose]

I agree, Twilight does suck.

@Julian: you don't really like your gf do ya? lol.

I do but she's been grating on my nerves lately, and i still worry that you may in fact be her attempting to catch me being a royal douche, which you have most likely already done.... GET OUT OF MY TEETH!

[xxbrokenwingsxx]

I agree, Twilight does suck.

@Julian: you don't really like your gf do ya? lol.

I do but she's been grating on my nerves lately, and i still worry that you may in fact be her attempting to catch me being a royal douche, which you have most likely already done.... GET OUT OF MY TEETH!

For the final time NO I'M NOT.

[n9zee]

Okay, children, if you're going to fight, do it in the Jibber-Jabber.

[Toreshi]

At the risk of becoming hated forum-wide, I actually like the Twilight series.

Mind you that's mostly because I have a soft spot for sexy vampires with morals. >.>

But regardless of whether you might love Twilight or think it's the biggest pile of crap to ever flow from a pen, I think saying that Stephanie Meyer 'can't write worth a damn' is ridiculously harsh. Maybe she's not comparative to Stephen King (whom I also happen to love, btw, so not taking sides here), but I think she has a wonderful grasp on the art.

You can't damn an artist just because they don't make the kind of art you like.

[Waycos]

I don't have a problem with people liking the series. I have a problem with people, in their 20's or older, who complain about books written for 13 yr olds.

[Zenjael]

But regardless of whether you might love Twilight or think it's the biggest pile of crap to ever flow from a pen, I think saying that Stephanie Meyer 'can't write worth a damn' is ridiculously harsh. Maybe she's not comparative to Stephen King (whom I also happen to love, btw, so not taking sides here), but I think she has a wonderful grasp on the art.

I respectfully disagree. she grasps the art about as well as the writer of Eragon, which isn't well at all. She didn't even write about vampires, she created an entirely new mythological creature and masquered it as a vampire.

You want real Vampires, Anne Rice, before she went Catholic.

I don't have a problem with people liking the series. I have a problem with people, in their 20's or older, who complain about books written for 13 yr olds.

Just pointing this out, but Stephen King has a fairly negative view about what kids can handle and what they can't. It was awhile ago, but I read in magazine that he didn't let his children watch R rated movies until well, well into high school. I can't decide whether or not I disagree with what he said.

This post has been edited by Zenjael: 07 February 2009 - 12:28 AM

[Joe Dalton]

Vampires aren't real, therefor can't she do pretty much what she wants and call it a vampire?
That aside, she has certainly established a great reader base. Sometimes what people think is art is not all there is too it, in the end if it inspires as many people as she has, it is not really someone elses decision to say she is a bad artist. Just because the artistic approach differs from what is important to you.

Let me put it this way. I read the music forums here and see the bands and music everyone likes. A lot of you even say they are so impresive with their music and such. To me those bands are not impresive, their melody and harmonies are very singular without much depth. But they do speak to their audience, which is what matters.
People who are involved in something tend to think that what their view on the art is, is the only one that matters.
There is more to art than the way it is made.

[Toreshi]

Vampires aren't real, therefor can't she do pretty much what she wants and call it a vampire?

EXACTLY.

Okay, so maybe you might think the idea of a 'vampire' sparkling in the sun is ridiculous, but personally I think it's refreshing to see someone do something different and original with the creatures, coming up with a different (if not a little silly) reason for them to avoid sunlight.

Opinions are one thing, but condemning someone for not doing something the way you think it should be done is just plain insane.

I think 'abstract' art is just about the most pointless thing that exists, but I don't go around telling artists that make it that they aren't really artists.

[Richard Cory]

I find King, Rowling, and Meyer to be atrocious writers. Makes me laugh to see King criticize one and compliment the other.

[Waycos]

Vampires aren't real, therefor can't she do pretty much what she wants and call it a vampire?

EXACTLY. ...

Actually.. a movie "LifeForce" did a whole vampires are aliens take on the myth and I thought it was awesome. I don't think there's anything wrong with tweaking any myth a bit. There's a webcomic called Last Blood that explains zombies originating from blood starved vampires. I think it's a great idea and they did a good job with it. In the end, it's all fiction.

[JulianvonRose]

Meyer intermingles the classic Vampires (and werewolves) with her strange ideas. I have read the Twilight books they are written for little girls anyone can tell that. They are especially written for the little goth girls who fantasize about losing their virginty to a quote unquote sexy vampire. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying vampires have to be a certain way, its true you can tweak the myth as much as you want so long as Vampires don't start going super saiyan. but Meyer writes badly, and you know what happens in the end of the series?

Everyone gets what they want. It's basically happily ever after. Bella gets to be a Vampire and have sex with Edward but AFTER they're married (barf) and the stupid Native American werewolf gets to have sex with Bella's half vampire daughter when she gets older woo.

[Waycos]

Nothing wrong with a happy ending.

[JulianvonRose]

There is no logical president for that happy ending and it comes through no self-sacrifice or character development of any kind. The characters we are given at the beggining of the series are exactly the same at the end.

This post has been edited by JulianvonRose: 09 February 2009 - 02:44 PM

[Zenjael]

There is no logical president for that happy ending and it comes through no self-sacrifice or character development of any kind. The characters we are given at the beggining of the series are exactly the same at the end.

And that is why I don't like the series.

I understand myth tweaking, I do, but... if you give a mythological creature different aspects, well it stops being a mythological creature and something else. What she did to the genre of vampires is like making a guy every third sunday turn into a badger and still call it a werewolf.

Everybody has their own takes on stuff like this, and by all means adjust what you want, but if in adjusting you create something new, don't pretend it is the same thing. I think she may honestly have had something going if she had labeled her version of vampires as something other than vampires.

King

Why do you find him an atrocious writer? I think the quality of his works have suffered since his accident, but I don't thin in any meaingful sense you could point to him and say his craftsmanship is bad. I would argue the exact opposite, his writings are chilling and powerful. The stand had me going pretty well through the plague part of it. Hell, there is evidence that columbine and several other shootings may have been influenced (accidently) by king over a book he wrote(now no longer in print at his request). He is definately an iconic writer, and any criticisms he has I feel we should probably hold with some respect.

Nothing wrong with a happy ending.

Except when it makes no sense, and is tauted as being good. I put Eragon in that category also, though thankfully Meyers didn't plagiarize unlike paolini.

Note: apologies for any typos, my keyboard still no likey the forums.