[Solar]

Worst Picture:
Speed Racer, Disaster Movie and Meet the Spartans, The Day the Earth Stood Still, High School Musical 3, The Hottie & The Nottie, Dungeon Siege, The Love Guru, Postal, Rambo, The Happening, Meet Dave, Witless Protection

Worst Actor:
Zac Efron, Dane Cook, Larry the Cable Guy, Eddie Murphy, Al Pacino, Keanu Reeves, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Cruise (Valkyrie), Will Ferrell, Ashton Kutcher, Mike Myers, Adam Sandler, Mark Wahlberg

Worst Actress:
Paris Hilton, Jessica Alba, The cast of "The Women," Camilla Belle, Cameron Diaz, Kate Hudson, Diane Keaton, Jennifer Connelly, Zooey Deschanel, Vanessa Hudgens, Eva Longoria-Parker, Reese Witherspoon

Worst Screen Couple:
Any couple from HSM 3, Cameron Diaz & Ashton Kutcher, Paris Hilton & Joel David Moore, Kate Hudson & Dane Cook, Kate Hudson & Matthew McConaughey, Larry the Cable Guy & Jenny McCarthy, Any couple from Mamma Mia, Eddie Murphy & Eddie Murphy (Meet Dave), Al Pacino & His Hair, Mark Wahlberg & Zooey Deschanel, Mark Wahlberg & Mila Kunis, Sylvester Stallone & His Ego

Worst Director:
Uwe Boll, Scott Derrickson, Jason Friedberg & Aaron Seltzer, Tom Putnam, Marco Schnabel, Sylvester Stallone, Jon Avnet, Diane English, Roland Emmerich, Brian Robbins, Kenny Ortega, M. Night Shyamalan

Worst Prequel, Sequel, Remake or Rip-Off:
Indiana Jones 4, HSM 3, Rambo, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Disaster Movie, Meet the Spartans, An American Carol, The Women, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Prom Night, Speed Racer, X-Files: I Want To Believe

Worst Career Achievement:
Uwe Boll, Jason Friedberg & Aaron Seltzer, Madonna, Keanu Reeves, Sylvester Stallone







Personally I think they made a few mistakes, but on the whole they are pretty dead on

My picks:

Worst Picture:
The Love Guru

Worst Actor:
Eddie Murphy,

Worst Actress:
Eva Longoria-Parker

Worst Screen Couple:
Any couple from Mamma Mia (DOT DOT DOT!)


Worst Director:
Uwe Boll,

Worst Prequel, Sequel, Remake or Rip-Off:
Indiana Jones 4

Worst Career Achievement:
Uwe Boll

[Malone]

Worst Prequel, Sequel, Remake or Rip-Off:
Indiana Jones 4

I agree with alot of the movies on there expect for Rambo and Indiana Jones 4, and as for your personal nomination...

I will rip off your arms if you do not edit that post and put something else in, nobody nominates Indiana for a razzie!

[Orelinde]

It sucked... I second that vote.

[Malone]

It sucked... I second that vote.

I'll deal with you next.

[Solar]

Oh come on Malone, the thing reaked of tying previous story lines together as quickly as possible so Indy would have a son and there would be more sequals.... PLUS:

1) Indy in a Refrigerator that "happened" to be lead... fuck no

2) Aliens... really? c'mon.. that was a crappy "twist" for this franchise. It DIDN'T NEED IT!

[Malone]

Oh come on Malone, the thing reaked of tying previous story lines together as quickly as possible so Indy would have a son and there would be more sequals.... PLUS:

1) Indy in a Refrigerator that "happened" to be lead... fuck no

2) Aliens... really? c'mon.. that was a crappy "twist" for this franchise. It DIDN'T NEED IT!

1) Out of the whole entire series of Indiana Jones movies, and all the series of events...you are saying thats too much of a rediculous fluke for him to 'happen' to find a lead fridge?

2) Thats one thing that bugs me about that whole arguement. People can believe he found the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail but Aliens are just pure INSANITY!

[Solar]

1) Yes the lead fridge in the middle of an atomic bombing test range and he doesn't get that hurt after being hurdled through who knows how far in the air and there is no physiological atomic aftermath for him? He SHOULD have been very ill, but no he keeps on fighting the good fight

2) I don't believe in those two, but there was a precident set that made him an archeologist, mostly of religious items. This is an ADVENTURE series, if I wanted to see Harrison Ford in Sci-Fi I would watch Star Wars. If the first 3 were about him finding area-51 relics, and some alien thing with the pyramids and something else and then BAM in the 4th came the Holy grail I would have been equally dissapointed.

[Malone]

1) Yes the lead fridge in the middle of an atomic bombing test range and he doesn't get that hurt after being hurdled through who knows how far in the air and there is no physiological atomic aftermath for him? He SHOULD have been very ill, but no he keeps on fighting the good fight

2) I don't believe in those two, but there was a precident set that made him an archeologist, mostly of religious items. This is an ADVENTURE series, if I wanted to see Harrison Ford in Sci-Fi I would watch Star Wars. If the first 3 were about him finding area-51 relics, and some alien thing with the pyramids and something else and then BAM in the 4th came the Holy grail I would have been equally dissapointed.

1) Yea, but I would say with all the other things his character has gone through and he has walked away just fine is equally impresseive. I mean he has been shot, beaten, run over and fallen off a cliff and is still completely fine. He should have probably died in a few portions of the first movie, but that wouldn't be a very good series. He has survived ALOT, as do most action/adventure heroes.

2) First movie, Christian artifcat. Second movie, Indian Artifact. 3rd movie Christian artifact, Fourth movie, Mayan artifiact. All technically had basis for religions and were worshipped. He fought a 500 year old knight at the end of the 3rd movie, Aliens were not as far fetched to me as him doing the things he did in the first 3 movies. I have also seen documenteries on the actual Crystal Skulls, and it actually follows the mythos behind them completely, it is just as accurate as the mythos behind the Holy Grail and the Covenant.

Im still going to rip off your arms, wookie style.

[Jeff N.]

easy now boys, no need for a Mod fight. Opinions are opinions after all.

[Malcontent]

So firstly, was that list the nominations or the actual awards? I'm guessing noms but I don't actually know much about the Razzies.

Secondly: Indy 4 didn't suck. I'm in full agreement with Malone.

What is with viewers today, huh? Stuff that didn't make people blink ten, fifteen years ago, in movies they loved unconditionally, are now crap. Whatever happened to suspension of disbelief?! As far as I'm concerned, what changed is the viewers' temperaments. People are more inclined to take things literally (not a good sign at all) and less willing to have fun (also not a good sign).

[Twisted1616]

Maybe half of that list (that I know anything about) is nonsense, and the rest about spot on.

Regarding Indy 4; I agree with Malo and Malc.

Personally I find aliens much more believable than, for example, that knight Malo mentioned.

I mean, what the fudge you people looking for? A documentary? Why would you expect everything to adhere to the laws of RL in a fantasy film?

Indy 4 wasn't the best film of the series, but it was more than alright, worth at least a re-watch, maybe two. There's just something wrong with people today; I think Malc has it right, at least for the most part. ... Or maybe people have always been like this but with the internet it's become more discernible.

[Cybercat]

Indy 4 was a so so action flick. Definitely not the worst I've seen, and not worth a razzie. Meet the Spartans is *way* worse. However, it's nowhere near as good as the first three movies either, I think. If they waited this long for a part 4, why not wait just a little longer until you actually have a great script?

[DorianBlack]

I don't really think Speed Racer belongs there either. Yes, the plot wasn't that good - but did anyone really go to see that movie for the plot? Basically the only reason they made that movie was to show off great, colorful, flashy graphics, and it did that very, very well. And you have to admit, the part with the ninjas, even if a bit cliche, was pretty damn funny.

[Waycos]

The Worst Career Achivement list is dead on, except for Stallone. Regardless of some of his bad films, he has some great ones.

[Solar]

I stand by my stating of Indy 4, between the hype and the history it was a huge let down. Did not meet the excellence I expected from that franchise. It was Matrix 3 vs. Matrix. It was Attack of the Clones vs. Empire.

Speedracer I agree shouldn't be on that list. If you saw it you went in w/ ZERO expectations and just enjoyed the eye candy for what it was.

[Malcontent]

Agreed on Speed Racer. It wasn't meant to be Gone With the freakin' Wind. It was supposed to be fun and silly, and it was. Spluh!

But I think we'll simply have to agree to disagree on Indy 4. I mean, if you (the naysayers) had something other than "OMG WTF Aliens?!" and the fridge as arguments against the film, I might listen, but as far as I'm concerned, the invisible bridge and quasi-immortal knight in 3 were just as OMG WTF. So from my perspective, the fourth installment was pretty much on par with the earlier films.

I know this statement may be incendiary, but my personal opinion is, it has a lot to do with the preexisting mythological acceptances in Western culture. People have been conditioned to accept the power of God and Christ, et al, because that's part of the cultural mythology* going back thousands of years. Aliens, however, are a relatively new and "laughable" idea -- perhaps because the idea of life on other planets is entirely counter to the idea of Earth being God's chosen ground for His children.

So the Ark of Covenant killing Nazis is awesome, but inter-dimensional beings are not.

I'd actually welcome some friendly debate on this. If that's, you know, okay on this forum.



* I'm not using this word disparagingly, but sociologically. I've great respect for religion and religious beliefs and I'm not at all inclined to attack, demean or invalidate the beliefs of others.

[Waycos]

Friendly debate is fine.

The problem with aliens in the Indy movie series is that there was no evidence of them or their existence and no suggestion of them or their existence, in ANY of the movies. The Ark was believable in that setting because the entire movie was based on it and it's supposed power. Where as in Indy 4, the Aliens came out of no where. Deus es machina is for the lazy, and a complete let down in a series that had up until then, been written pretty well and entertaining. If the beginning of the movie had Indy looking up evidence of aliens, that might have made a little more sense. Except that he's an archeologist, he researches things from the past, not the present or future.

[Orelinde]

I went in there with no expectations because this is the first Indiana Jones movie I've seen. So it wasn't about high expectations or being super hyped and then let down.

Basically, I was just bored. I was sitting there, watching and listening and I was just bored. I didn't find the story particularly compelling and the dialog either. Nothing made me want more. Nothing "kept me pulled in". I found the bit with the snake was pretty funny but that's it.


I'd also like to add to the list of stupid stuff in this movie:

- Shia Leboeuf swinging through the jungle on vines.

- Shia Leboeuf is Indy's son. Cliché and so predictable.


That's just me. I'm sure Solar wasn't COMPLETELY bored with this as I was.

[Solar]

References to past movies helped keep it moving for me, and I wasn't bored...just really let down.

This not what I come to expect from Steven Spielberg, Lucas..yes, but Spielberg NO.

Thank you Waycos, You articulated my argument above better than I could have.

Next Up... Mamma Mia... Pierce Bronson should never be allowed to sing again... all the couples are my worst.. just.. blah. If i didn't go with my wife I think I would have left. And after everything I heard about the musical and this is the adaptation?

[Malcontent]

Okay, so for the sake of argument: why wouldn't aliens be possible in the past? You haven't forgotten "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away", have you? *grin*

Also, the aliens were there right from the start (the magnetic thingy), and dialogue establishing Area 51, etc. was present within the first 15 minutes or so. So it's not a deux ex machina as such.

I actually do kind of get the reasoning on this though. The other artifacts, though mythological in stature, were still decidedly HUMAN history; making aliens rather than divinity the power behind the latest artifact is a departure. I do get that. In a way.

I don't know if it would change anyone's minds to know that it was intentional. The original Indy movies were based on the fiction of the period, which involved a lot of swashbuckling but otherwise normal guys fighting the evil Germans, High Priests and whatnot. But by the 50s, when Indy 4 took place, science fiction was really taking a hold on pop culture, and that included such things as telepathy, aliens and space ships. So when you take it in that light, it actually makes a lot of sense. Indy 4 really touched on a lot of the items of public awareness and attention in that era, including the Preppies and Greasers, nuclear bombs, and the early ramifications of the Cold War.

I suppose a lot of it is going to boil down to personal preference, and that's not something anyone can really argue with. All the same, it still does feel there is a lot of unwarranted cynicism out there about movies. They can't be silly, fun, or allegorical, because that's "not real".